I have a feeling that people covet the societal femininity and masculinity as their own, even though they are not born with it. And thus when the opposite gender encroaches on the societal quality they believe is their own, some people (especially overly possessive people) become defensive or even offensive. Just like many men would become embarrassed and defensive if they were outrun by or physically weaker than another woman, many women become embarrassed and defensive if a man’s relationship with his child shows greater depth and more unconditional love than that of themselves.

We should be embracing and celebrating the positive traits in both men and women in these fields, that is how we overcome it. To learn from one another free of societal stereotypes making us close ourselves off from one another is the way forward. Until then, we have danced around the bush enough times to make a billion people miserable, when we should be embracing the genuine and pure parental love of any person, and the physical feats of any person.

Bs. The man risks prison and garnished wages a lot worse than the choice to risk pregnancy in the end it’s a joke women get to pin men in all directions using the my body bs argument, the eqaution just is not that black and white. If it’s not his body not his choice than his bit being so small does not give him 50 percent of the bill if she unilaterally terms it, a woman should not be able to argue she gets to decide to terminate his rights on hi# behalf, either in abortion or adoption placements or vice versa. Both need to know sex leads to conception, etc. only men pay, that’s bs. If she can abort, then men can unilaterally abort their child support, you cannot have this both ways, it’s sexism pure and simple, not biology excused since men can say an event not in their body is not their problem, and law does not allow that, it was fair before abortion rights, it is totally anti male now, esp when men have no repro rights by financial abortion on paper, where he just waives his rights and support obligations without doing anything direct to her choices.

It is SO frustrating! I’m so sorry you’re having to deal with all that nonsense.

Except in the nine months before the baby is born, the woman is the one who risks her health, her livelihood, and her mobility. It might be sad for the father, but the woman should be 100% in charge of terminating or not. In a loving committed relationship, most women of course discuss it, but since the man’s bit was done after the first five minutes of the conception, it’s hardly a 50/50 effort meriting 50/50 say.

Well, I AM often barefoot and in the kitchen. . .

Yes, it is condescending to them. I’m sure they don’t realize that’s what they’re doing, though. As is often the case.

How awful!